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- TexasPoet
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Re: Theory that MacDonald molested his children
A neighbor supposedly said they heard someone, very late that night, either laughing or crying.A kind of huffing. I believe it was JM crying for himself before he saw the Enquirer magazine.
I have read a lot of comments from people who believe Collette cried out; “Jeff, why are you doing this to me?” Which JM changed to;” Jeff why are they doing this to me?” When talking to investigators, in case anyone had heard. I strongly believe the first version, because the latter makes no sense.
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Re: Theory that MacDonald molested his children
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TexasPoet,
Have wondered about that...what did the neighbors hear?Mrs. Kalin, the next-door neighbor, testified during the 1974 grand jury proceeding that in the early morning hours of February 17, 1970, "I came out of a deep sleep and heard Colette's voice . . . and it woke me up. The voice I heard was mad enough to kill." She was not able to distinguish the words, but said, "I got the gist of it, and I would swear on the Bible that it that what what it was like she was saying was, 'What do you think I'm going to be doing, while you are doing all of this? Do you think I am going to be standing here doing nothing? If you touch one hair of those children's head or my head, I'll kill you!
If neighbor Kalin heard that, JM must have acted in his murderous rampage very quickly, too soon for Colette and Kimmie to cry out for help or neighbor would have surely heard and responded in some kind of way, the human brain highly wired to respond to a woman or child's screams.
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TexasPoet,
Have wondered about that...what did the neighbors hear?Mrs. Kalin, the next-door neighbor, testified during the 1974 grand jury proceeding that in the early morning hours of February 17, 1970, "I came out of a deep sleep and heard Colette's voice . . . and it woke me up. The voice I heard was mad enough to kill." She was not able to distinguish the words, but said, "I got the gist of it, and I would swear on the Bible that it that what what it was like she was saying was, 'What do you think I'm going to be doing, while you are doing all of this? Do you think I am going to be standing here doing nothing? If you touch one hair of those children's head or my head, I'll kill you!
If neighbor Kalin heard that, JM must have acted in his murderous rampage very quickly, too soon for Colette and Kimmie to cry out for help or neighbor would have surely heard and responded in some kind of way, the human brain highly wired to respond to a woman or child's screams.
I would guess the neighbors were used to hearing fighting. Otherwise, why weren’t the MPs called. Kimmy was probably killed very quickly, before she could scream or do anything. Collette would have been horror-struck for a moment, long enough for JM’s first murderous onslaught. She probably did yell; “Jeff why are you doing this to me?”
One thing I’ve said numerous times and that I believe; the only person(s) who benefited from darkness and silence was the murderer(s). JM never made a sound or turned on a light.
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Mrs. Kalin, the next-door neighbor, testified during the 1974 grand jury proceeding that in the early morning hours of February 17, 1970, "I came out of a deep sleep and heard Colette's voice . . . and it woke me up. The voice I heard was mad enough to kill." She was not able to distinguish the words, but said, "I got the gist of it, and I would swear on the Bible that it that what what it was like she was saying was, 'What do you think I'm going to be doing, while you are doing all of this? Do you think I am going to be standing here doing nothing? If you touch one hair of those children's head or my head, I'll kill you!
If neighbor Kalin heard that, JM must have acted in his murderous rampage very quickly, too soon for Colette and Kimmie to cry out for help or neighbor would have surely heard and responded in some kind of way, the human brain highly wired to respond to a woman or child's screams.
I would guess the neighbors were used to hearing fighting. Otherwise, why weren’t the MPs called. Kimmy was probably killed very quickly, before she could scream or do anything. Collette would have been horror-struck for a moment, long enough for JM’s first murderous onslaught. She probably did yell; “Jeff why are you doing this to me?”
One thing I’ve said numerous times and that I believe; the only person(s) who benefited from darkness and silence was the murderer(s). JM never made a sound or turned on a light.
the MPs probably WOULD NOT have been called routinely due to family fighting. in 1970 "domestic violence" was not something that people talked about and it was not really recognized as negative actions for which law enforcement would be involved. it is hard at times but you have to look at the case in the context of the time. A perfect example is how some of the few remaining persons who believe inmate could be innocent talking about "woman in a floppy hat and knee high boots". In 1970 those 2 items were part of the uniform of the day. I had at least 4 pairs of knee high boots and at least 2 floppy hats. technically I could have fit the description of the alleged female intruder except for 2 things (1) I was 7 years old and (2) my hair could NEVER have been described as stringy. :D
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If neighbor Kalin heard that, JM must have acted in his murderous rampage very quickly, too soon for Colette and Kimmie to cry out for help or neighbor would have surely heard and responded in some kind of way, the human brain highly wired to respond to a woman or child's screams.
I would guess the neighbors were used to hearing fighting. Otherwise, why weren’t the MPs called. Kimmy was probably killed very quickly, before she could scream or do anything. Collette would have been horror-struck for a moment, long enough for JM’s first murderous onslaught. She probably did yell; “Jeff why are you doing this to me?”
One thing I’ve said numerous times and that I believe; the only person(s) who benefited from darkness and silence was the murderer(s). JM never made a sound or turned on a light.the MPs probably WOULD NOT have been called routinely due to family fighting. in 1970 "domestic violence" was not something that people talked about and it was not really recognized as negative actions for which law enforcement would be involved. it is hard at times but you have to look at the case in the context of the time. A perfect example is how some of the few remaining persons who believe inmate could be innocent talking about "woman in a floppy hat and knee high boots". In 1970 those 2 items were part of the uniform of the day. I had at least 4 pairs of knee high boots and at least 2 floppy hats. technically I could have fit the description of the alleged female intruder except for 2 things (1) I was 7 years old and (2) my hair could NEVER have been described as stringy. :D
LOL! Too true about the “uniform”! My high school sweetheart had the hat and boots and wore them often. In Texas.
You are right about the MPs and domestic violence. Also about time perspective. Different times, different attitudes. Different behavior.
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TexasPoet...
"Collette would have been horror-struck for a moment, long enough for JM’s first murderous onslaught. She probably did yell; 'Jeff why are you doing this to me?'
Very good point. My times of horror dim hugely to that of Colette's, but I remember when I was in a very serious car crash, passenger, with my loved one driving and in great danger from the oncoming car. Seeing what was about to happen, I froze, just a for a few seconds before acting. Same with my rabbit grabbed up by our dog. One can certainly see how Colette froze in her much greater horror (understatement), and he struck in those few seconds.
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Byn63.."In 1970 'domestic violence' was not something that people talked about and it was not really recognized as negative actions for which law enforcement would be involved. it is hard at times but you have to look at the case in the context of the time. A perfect example is how some of the few remaining persons who believe inmate could be innocent talking about 'woman in a floppy hat and knee high boots'. In 1970 those 2 items were part of the uniform of the day. I had at least 4 pairs of knee high boots and at least 2 floppy hats. technically I could have fit the description of the alleged female intruder except for 2 things (1) I was 7 years old and (2) my hair could NEVER have been described as stringy. :D"
You are exactly right. Domestic abuse even occasionally joked about to some degree. I remember watching reruns of "The Jackie Gleason Show" during the 60s. Gleason as character, Ralph, raising a fist in the air and then threatening to knock her, his wife, character Alice, to the moon--which got a lot of laughs. Have read that in America 4 women are killed every day by their male partners, with millions being abused. Needless to say, a man should Never lay a hand on a woman except if he were at risk of serious harm (not likely). That message should be brought home, but unfortunately the pathological narcissists won't get it...lock them up.
Yes, common attire.
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Still after all these years there are women who are physically, emotionally, verbally, and/or sexually abused every day (children too) that never talk about it. they hide the results, often believing that they "deserve" what they get etc. As much as things have changed still more needs to be done.
for example, in normal routine (non-pandemic) children who are being physically abused have a fair chance of getting help because teachers, doctors, and nurses are required by law to report cases of suspected abuse (unexplained bruising, unkempt appearance, repeated ER visits etc) it is the law and failure to do so can leave the person who should have reported the situation in legal trouble of their own. Even neighbors can report anonymously suspicious cases. Sadly, spouses most often have to take action themselves to get help...more states need to change the laws so that the POLICE press the charges if there is a suspicion of abuse (Las Vegas I believe has that law in place) the person being abused does not have a choice. where that type law is not in place, many women refuse to report the abuse or press charges for fear of retaliation.
I have often suspected that inmate beat Colette.....and that she hid it....
I am 100% sure that Colette did say "Jeff, Jeff why are YOU doing this to me" and that Kimmie yelled "Daddy, Daddy, Daddy". Every skilled liar always includes some truth in any story he tells...and inmate is a very skilled liar....
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Still after all these years there are women who are physically, emotionally, verbally, and/or sexually abused every day (children too) that never talk about it. they hide the results, often believing that they "deserve" what they get etc. As much as things have changed still more needs to be done.
for example, in normal routine (non-pandemic) children who are being physically abused have a fair chance of getting help because teachers, doctors, and nurses are required by law to report cases of suspected abuse (unexplained bruising, unkempt appearance, repeated ER visits etc) it is the law and failure to do so can leave the person who should have reported the situation in legal trouble of their own. Even neighbors can report anonymously suspicious cases. Sadly, spouses most often have to take action themselves to get help...more states need to change the laws so that the POLICE press the charges if there is a suspicion of abuse (Las Vegas I believe has that law in place) the person being abused does not have a choice. where that type law is not in place, many women refuse to report the abuse or press charges for fear of retaliation.
I have often suspected that inmate beat Colette.....and that she hid it....
I am 100% sure that Colette did say "Jeff, Jeff why are YOU doing this to me" and that Kimmie yelled "Daddy, Daddy, Daddy". Every skilled liar always includes some truth in any story he tells...and inmate is a very skilled liar....
Yes! Kudos! Well said. MacMurderer is a liar, sometimes skilled, but not always. Also an admitted thief (drugs and medical supplies) and serial adulterer. I too believe he was an abuser and Collette’s growing strength and independence threatened him and his ego. He is where he belongs!
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Still after all these years there are women who are physically, emotionally, verbally, and/or sexually abused every day (children too) that never talk about it. they hide the results, often believing that they "deserve" what they get etc. As much as things have changed still more needs to be done.
for example, in normal routine (non-pandemic) children who are being physically abused have a fair chance of getting help because teachers, doctors, and nurses are required by law to report cases of suspected abuse (unexplained bruising, unkempt appearance, repeated ER visits etc) it is the law and failure to do so can leave the person who should have reported the situation in legal trouble of their own. Even neighbors can report anonymously suspicious cases. Sadly, spouses most often have to take action themselves to get help...more states need to change the laws so that the POLICE press the charges if there is a suspicion of abuse (Las Vegas I believe has that law in place) the person being abused does not have a choice. where that type law is not in place, many women refuse to report the abuse or press charges for fear of retaliation.
I have often suspected that inmate beat Colette.....and that she hid it....
I am 100% sure that Colette did say "Jeff, Jeff why are YOU doing this to me" and that Kimmie yelled "Daddy, Daddy, Daddy". Every skilled liar always includes some truth in any story he tells...and inmate is a very skilled liar....Yes! Kudos! Well said. MacMurderer is a liar, sometimes skilled, but not always. Also an admitted thief (drugs and medical supplies) and serial adulterer. I too believe he was an abuser and Collette’s growing strength and independence threatened him and his ego. He is where he belongs!
Bundy's face...that of Scott Peterson...Chris Watts...needless to say, they all send shivers up my spine, but this JM face (and Michael Peterson)...I even had some bad dreams about JM...his face, his eyes, to me look especially mean, cruel. And I watched the video of that old Dick Cavett show...he's where he belongs for the rest of his life.