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Re: How I became interested/involved in this case
Tim2020 wrote:
Hi Texas Poet, so thoughtful is your analysis and I think very possible. A fascinating insight. Any thoughts as to why the glasses were in the Liv room? Thanks again. Tim
Hi Tim2020, and thanks.
I think the glasses were in the living room, because that is where he was reading the Esquire magazine. My best guess is that he threw them across the room as evidence of a struggle, after he called the operator, but before he went to lay down beside Colette (the thought sickens me). He probably looked out the window a couple of times, watching for the MPs. As I recall, there was something about the living room window that made CID believe that someone looked out. When he saw someone approaching he then dropped or threw his glasses. Unfortunately for him, he didn’t know there was a minuscule drop of Kristen’s blood on the glasses, so they had to be dropped or discarded after he was in Kristen’s room. My belief is, he formulated his plan after seeing the Esquire magazine. He then went to murder Kristen and encountered Colette in Kristen’s room trying to save her daughter. Her interference (in MacDonald’s sick mind) set off another rage. After he finally killed Colette, and murdered Kristen, and took Colette’s body back to the master bedroom and staged things, he then went and made his first call. Something in his mind made him think about his appearance and he went and looked in the mirror and realized he looked “too normal”. (See statement analysis where he admits this), so he gets a pair of gloves and a scalpel and wounds himself (clean, concise, incision according to surgeon who worked on him), maybe roughs himself up a little, and then goes back to the phone where operator is waiting. Somewhere in that timeframe he got some of Kristen’s blood on his glasses. Sometime after the call he discarded the glasses, which with his eyesight, he wouldn’t have done until he decided he didn’t need them anymore. He probably scrawled “pig” on the headboard around that time, losing a fingertip (in the bedding?). Most likely, that is when he went to watch out the window and leave the glasses there.
What do you think?
On the below link, go to about the twelfth section of MacDonald’s statement for his comment about “looking normal”.
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Good analysis TP.
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Good analysis TP.
Thank you. What do you think?
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It's interesting how such an educated man can sound like a fumbling idiot who didn't even graduate high school. He sounds like Eddie Haskel saying "Gee Mrs. Beaver, I'm not sure how my family ended up murdered multiple times over and I had a little bump on my head. Guess it was my lucky unlucky day"
Seriously, he sounds like a complete fool
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TP - I agree with most of it. Freddy had a feeling that JRM was caught abusing Kim and that started the fight, because Colette would not tolerate that. That explains his lie about who wet the bed. He didnt want to talk about her being in that bed.
Your sequence of events is very good, but a couple of items you placed later in the sequence than I would have.
He knew he needed an injury, and he took care of it well before he called for help.
On the call for help he did his best to sound injured. He took care of that before the call.
He took his time with a steady hand while writing in blood on the headboard. They were smooth strokes.
Those 2 things were not done in a rush at the end. There were only a few minutes between calls as I recall.
He had probably peeked outside a few times during his planning and executing the cover story, just to reassure himself he had not aroused any attention.
That is why the curtain looked ajar to the police when they arrived.
But I doubt he did that after he called them. He would have known they would arrive quickly so he went into his fake unconscious act. Then started coughing and choking when police arrived. This was an important step as they began treating him first.
That made him one of the victims.
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TP - I agree with most of it. Freddy had a feeling that JRM was caught abusing Kim and that started the fight, because Colette would not tolerate that. That explains his lie about who wet the bed. He didnt want to talk about her being in that bed.
Your sequence of events is very good, but a couple of items you placed later in the sequence than I would have.
He knew he needed an injury, and he took care of it well before he called for help.
On the call for help he did his best to sound injured. He took care of that before the call.
He took his time with a steady hand while writing in blood on the headboard. They were smooth strokes.
Those 2 things were not done in a rush at the end. There were only a few minutes between calls as I recall.
He had probably peeked outside a few times during his planning and executing the cover story, just to reassure himself he had not aroused any attention.
That is why the curtain looked ajar to the police when they arrived.
But I doubt he did that after he called them. He would have known they would arrive quickly so he went into his fake unconscious act. Then started coughing and choking when police arrived. This was an important step as they began treating him first.
That made him one of the victims.
GF
Bravo. I agree. I put the rib puncture after the first phone call because of his statement about looking in the mirror and “nothing looked wrong”. I got the impression that during the first conversation with the operator he realized he had forgotten something, his condition, and ran to look in the mirror. It was only during the second phone conversation with the Sergeant that he said he was dying. I really like what you said about his acting being the “important step” to make him one of the victims. That is an excellent observation. Kudos.
There had to be a “trigger” that night. It wasn’t his cheating, Colette knew about that and, as she told her sister-in-law; she was done. She wanted to go home. It wasn’t lack of sleep, that was common. And he had been using amphetamines to lose weight for a while. It was something specific to that night. The 500 pound gorilla in the room is Kimberley, because he lied about her being there and he gas continued to lie. He does not want Kimberley in that room. Why?
By the way, after a lot of thought and referencing evidence, I believe that MacDonald did hear Kimberley crying; “Daddy, Daddy, Daddy”, but at him as he fought with Collette in the bedroom, not because of imaginary intruders. Kimberly either started to run in fear, or Colette told her to run. (I think there is a good possibility that Colette told her to run away.) MacDonald then went after Kimberley, and Colette grabbed for him, causing; “The pajama top was torn on the left shoulder and was ripped down the front seam, as though someone had reached out and torn it as MacDonald was standing and spinning away.” (MacDonald’s Magical Mystery Tour-JusttheFacts) MacDonald then viciously clubbed Kimberley as she tried to escape, before turning back on Colette who was desperately trying to save her child. It fits all the facts. At some point Colette cried out; “Jeff, why are you doing this? Or, “Jeff, why are you doing this to her?” Later MacDonald embellished it in case anyone heard.
Well done, as always Grandfather, thank you.
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It's interesting how such an educated man can sound like a fumbling idiot who didn't even graduate high school. He sounds like Eddie Haskel saying "Gee Mrs. Beaver, I'm not sure how my family ended up murdered multiple times over and I had a little bump on my head. Guess it was my lucky unlucky day"
Seriously, he sounds like a complete fool
Hi TamiD
You’re right. I wonder if he has ever thought about how he sounds? “Acid is groovy.” Really? I started college in 1971 and no one talked like that.
Have you ever read his statement analysis? Pathetic.
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It's interesting how such an educated man can sound like a fumbling idiot who didn't even graduate high school. He sounds like Eddie Haskel saying "Gee Mrs. Beaver, I'm not sure how my family ended up murdered multiple times over and I had a little bump on my head. Guess it was my lucky unlucky day"
Seriously, he sounds like a complete fool
Just like most liars, Inmate could not keep his "stories" straight. He kept changing them to try and fit the "facts".
He is just where he belongs.
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Texas Poet, I think you analysis is spot on, except for one thing. The glasses, cm must have used them for distance as he wore them full time, correct? Therefore, he was wearing them during the fight, that explains the blood spot. Then he put the glasses in the Liv rm, because he knew he had to have some evidence of a fight there. What better evidence, than "they knocked my glasses off during the fight in the living room."
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Texas Poet, I think you analysis is spot on, except for one thing. The glasses, cm must have used them for distance as he wore them full time, correct? Therefore, he was wearing them during the fight, that explains the blood spot. Then he put the glasses in the Liv rm, because he knew he had to have some evidence of a fight there. What better evidence, than "they knocked my glasses off during the fight in the living room."
Tim2020
Your quote; “They knocked my glasses off during the fight . . “ is very good, except he claims he was woken up, so he wouldn’t have been wearing glasses. Also, I’ve read that MacDonald only needs glasses to read. That is why you don’t see photos of him wearing glasses. I think he probably tossed the glasses under the drapes before he went to lie down beside Colette, not knowing about the very tiny speck of blood.
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