snoopy wrote:

Is the stalker still bothering OWC and Lynn? 

 I can't speak for Lynn, but the stalker is still   stalking me and yet in her usual fashion of doing so, is saying I am stalking her.
Excuse me?


Stalker told the court on Thursday that she has been in a relationship with Johnny Mathis and has known him
for SIXTY years! She  also said that she was not interested in Jeffrey MacDonald and had never been involved
in anything to do with him or his case.  I believe that can be shown to be one of her BIGGEST fabrications yet.

The judge has ORDERED her to appear in person in JULY! 


 

Hello, this is my first post here, but I’ve been thinking about this case for a couple of, well, decades actually.

I got interested when I was living on the West Coast and the movie starring Gary Cole as MacDonald was broadcast.  It was intriguing as in, did he or didn’t he.  It was a bit of a brain worm for me, so I picked up the book and read it, Then read I’d again.  And put it in the back of my mind.  My then-fiancé, who was from Long Island, mentioned that it seemed to him like MacDonald was railroaded and that a lot of people on the South Shore thought the same.

I moved into a management position and started reading the WSJ daily.  There was clearly someone on the editorial staff there who was a MacDonald sugar.  Any time there was an article that could even remotely merit a mention of him, it was there.  WSJ followed the tale of the FBI lab screwups and mismanagement, for instance, and in every article said  “this could have implications for the Jeffrey MacDonald case!”  I don’t know who it was who was the fan of MacDonald, but there definitely was someone high enough to ensure a mention on a regular basis.

Then I moved to Long Island with my husband, to the North Shore.  There is a difference between the North Shore and the South Shore of Long Island that’s like a yawning chasm.  North Shore is Jay Gatsby.  South Shore is the Baldwin Brothers.  If there was a mention of MacDonald in conversation, which there rarely was, it was with a bit of a sniff as in “well, he WAS from the South Shore and we all know how rough that crowd is.”. I’m 100% sure someone like MacDonald would have been very conscious of the class differences and would have worked hard to ensure that he would eventually gain entree into a different class.

So now I live in Bucks County and there are many MacDonald connections here.  The wealthy friend of the family who flew Jay down to the funerals in his private jet, then later housed Jay as he deteriorated mentally, was from here.  His ex-wife, who along with her young son visited MacDonald (this was the boy who said MacDonald threatened to crush his head against a dock) still lives around here and last I checked, sells real estate.  The daughter of that family was the one that MacDonald drove across the country with when she was 16 and with whom MacDonald had sexual relations with along the way.  So MacDonald did uncounted damage to that family as well as, of course, his own.

I spend a lot of time in Princeton, which is about ten miles from Bucks County; my goddaughter goes to private school there and I watch her play sports.  Jeff and Colette lived on Bank Street across from campus and based on the documents that Christina has published here (testimony), they turned it into a bit of a boarding house for girls visiting their Princeton boyfriends on weekends, for extra money.  I think about that.  Here was Colette, getting bigger with her pregnancy, running a boarding house while her husband goes to school.  And a house full of impressionable young women - I’d love to interview some of those young women to find out if MacDonald was enjoying their private company.  It also puts a lot of what MacDonald said about that time in a different light - he talks about their house becoming the center of attention on campus, them being the hosts.  Well, of COURSE they were - for pay!  The boyfriends, the visiting girls staying in the house - all being fed and watered and bedded down but not as guests of the  household but as PAYING guests!  

So that’s where my interest has come in to this.  I’m in between Kristen and Kimberly in age, and I’ve had a nice life that they should have been able to have as well.

I have some questions if anyone might have time to answer them.  The first one was the Princeton roommate who worked on MacDonald’s defense team.  I read (and perhaps remember wrongly) that MacDonald did him dirty in some capacity, although the former roommate had sacrificed much time from his own legal practice to help in the defense and even after, defended Jeffrey in the court of public opinion.  Does anyone have details about that?

And...hello!

Hello Jazzygirl and welcome to the board.  I am sure nobody is offended by anything you posted. 

This is a very interesting case and it looks like it is also neverending. 

 

First, Hi! Jazzy girl, jillbean635, and Operationalrisk. Welcome.

I have intently followed this case since I first read Fatal Vision when it came out. I have also read Wilderness of Error (title describes the book). I tried to read Fatal Justice, but I couldn’t, it is badly written and rife with errors and fallacies. I’ve read all the articles, I think, most court rulings, and also the JusttheFacts website.

There are two things that have bothered me from the get-go and that I believe makes the case and MacDonald even worse;

1. The idea that Kimberley was accidentally struck by her father, is almost universal, but I don’t agree. Why? Kimberley wasn’t coming into the room, she was already in the room. It has been proven that it was Kimberley who wet the bed, NOT Kristen. MacDonald has always claimed it was Kristin who wet the bed and who he carried from the room. But Kristen didn’t wet the bed and was probably never in the room. MacDonald has always said there was just one girl in the bed, and since it was Kimberley who wet the bed, she was the one in the bed. It is unlikely a child that age could wet the bed and the person next to them would not notice. So, Colette was probably the one sleeping on the sofa. I have read that she did that sometimes. MacDonald was doing something inappropriate in the bed with Kimberley (Freddie and Murtaugh believed this) and she wet the bed (not unusual) and Colette either hears something, or she has a mother’s instinct, which brings her to the room where she sees what is happening and explodes. Colette strikes MacDonald with the nearest thing at hand, the hairbrush. Her attack was vicious enough to cause a minor concussion. Kimberley was probably crying and trying to explain things, as children do, and a raging MacDonald, blaming her, lashed out. She may have moved back from the force of her parents battle, or she may have been trying to leave the room, which would explain her blood and brain serum on the door frame. Kimberley wet the bed, so she had to be in the room and the bed. MacDonald claims it was Kristen he carried from the room, but Kristen didn’t wet the bed and was NOT in the room. MacDonald has always said there was only one daughter in the room. It HAD to be Kimberley. If she was already in the room and not coming into the room, it’s doubtful the blow was accidental, it was part of the rage.


2. The suitcase. This has always bothered me. Everything was covered with blood, except the suitcase, and there was blood under the suitcase. The suitcase was set down there AFTER the fight. Investigators thought MacDonald was preparing to flee. I believe that as well. What bothers me is poor little Kristen. Did the fight wake her up? Did her mother coming in to try and get her out of the house or protect her, awaken her? Or did her father’s fresh onslaught against her mother when he found her in Kristen’s room, wake Kristen up? MacDonald must have looked at the carnage in the master bedroom and what he thought were the dead bodies of Colette and Kimberley and decided to flee. He retrieved the suitcase, but where to go and how? He probably carried Kimberley’s body to her bedroom and then went to the living room to think, where the neighbor heard “laughing or sobbing”. MacDonald would have been sobbing for himself, not his family. Where could he go? How much money did he have? How much time? He had to wonder if anyone heard anything and if law enforcement might arrive at any time. And then he saw the Esquire magazine and the Manson article. Hope, and a change of plan. After probably reading the salient points of the article he started to initiate his new plan, part of which was to murder Kristen. He would eliminate the last witness, and as Murtaugh said, would commit the horrible act no jury would believe a father could do. But, when MacDonald arrived in his daughter’s bedroom he found Colette, the great mother and heroine, protecting her daughter. MacDonald flew into another rage at Collette, for being there and trying to thwart his plans. This is evidenced by Colette’s massive injuries and the blood on the walls and ceiling. All that was left then was Kristen. I’m horrified whenever I think about when Kristen may have woken up and by what she saw or heard. The suitcase indicates thoughts of fleeing, and also a stopping point for thought and planning. We know MacDonald went in the living room, we know he saw and looked at the Esquire magazine, and we know that Colette found the strength and courage to try and rescue Kristen. That makes MacDonald an even greater monster, and the nightmare even worse.

Thank you for letting me share.

Last edited by TexasPoet (9/01/2022 4:03 pm)

Hi Texas Poet, so thoughtful is your analysis and I think very possible.  A fascinating insight.  Any thoughts as to why the glasses were in the Liv room?  Thanks again.  Tim