OH it's so long ago. I became interested when I saw Fatal Vision the miniseries in 1986 on NBC. I then bought the book. Many years later with the onset of the internet I too was on the A&E boards and on this topic. I met Byn and Justthefacts there. I have always believed MacDonald guilty and have never wavered in my belief. The blood evidence is so incriminating.

byn63 wrote:

cami wrote:

OH it's so long ago. I became interested when I saw Fatal Vision the miniseries in 1986 on NBC. I then bought the book. Many years later with the onset of the internet I too was on the A&E boards and on this topic. I met Byn and Justthefacts there. I have always believed MacDonald guilty and have never wavered in my belief. The blood evidence is so incriminating.

you and one of the moderators (name escapes me at the moment) went through the "Bost Short Study" and found the cut and paste documents and lots of misrepresentation of facts in that pos document.  then you both encouraged us to match the Short Study to Fatal Joke and we had a huge thread that outlined the errors, misrepresentations, cut and paste, revisionist history and outright lies involved!  I still wish I had known the A&E boards were going to be totally taken off line because I would have copied those 2 threads completely!
 

I wish I could remember her name. When they showed it on TV, she paused her TV and took a magnifying glass to read the text. Brilliant. I'd forgotten that it's so long ago, We had it nailed....That's why I encourage everyone I talk to to read the trial transcripts of any case, it's where you learn it. Like Darlie Routier, you can't know her case unless you read the trial transcripts and appeals because all the documentaries lie like hell and push false narratives for their own agendas, ratings.  remember that soldier, what was his name. The one that told us about the shaving powder and the black panthers. Oh we hooted over that one didn't we. They were going to shave inmate to death.
 

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snoopy wrote:

Is the stalker still bothering OWC and Lynn? 

Lynn has a restraining order on her and it appears to be working. Time will tell. She has an extensive history
of stalking people and then claiming they are stalking her.  I've never had a stalker before I met her ten years
ago and Lynn had never had one either. According to the stalker, everybody is stalking her. LMAO

The question is.....WHO would want to stalk her? 
 

Sage 

This is a free speech board. There are many facts that you may not be aware of.  Orange Tangerine AKA as 
Gabrielle Renoir wrote Jeffrey MacDonald love letters (many years ago) by her own admission. It is connected 
to this board because after almost a decade OT came here stalking me once again. She stalked  me at the old 
discussion board. She was allowed to post here only because I could not understand why after all these years 
she would once again start stalking me. She portrayed herself to be someone she was not and to share FALSE
information about the case.  This is something she did at our old board. Maybe you were not around then?

Second. As for Johnny Mathis - gay or not he has had numerous relationships with women and men over the
years. I do know for a FACT that JM has a relationship with Lynn. I have spoken to investigators and actually
a lawyer from his legal office called me to discuss. They all confirmed what Lynn said.

The state of California does not issue Restraining Orders for no reason at all. 

If you would like to  see legal documents to prove what I am saying - feel free to ask for them

You would not be banned for speaking your mind. However, if you came here just to stalk, harass and
spread lies about others, you too would be banned .

You are welcome to express your opinion about what does and does not belong on this discussion board 
but it is not up to you. No disrespect meant.

Sage - perhaps you are unaware of the long, long, LONG history the person who posted here as OrangeTangerine has on JRM discussion forums.  I first encountered her at the old A&E boards where she posted claiming to be the sole living descendant of the painter Renoir (she used the name Gabrielle Renoir).  Then later she claimed she had a daughter also named Gabrielle Renoir which contradicted her previous comments.  She got called on her contradictory posts (there were many more I've not mentioned) and when she was called on it she began threatening other posters with legal action and crossed the TOS line 1 time too many and the moderators banned her.  She came back a few times under various names.  

On the TOPIX board she started as Gabrielle Renoir, then she was Camille, and at one point we were able to definitively match Lily, OnthePond, AJ Mason, LilyRemy, and LilyandGish to her as well.  She would post under the various names sometimes multiple times each day.  She began seriously stalking OWC  and I will tell you that it included OWC having to go to Ohio to defend herself against the actions/claims and lawsuits made by Gabby.  Oh, and ask OWC if she will give you the transcripts of the voice mail where Gabby's son threatened OWC's life.  I heard the message - probably others that have been around a while have as well.

When it comes to Lynn, OrangeTangerine stepped over a line.  Lynn was NOT a member of this board when OT posted her name, made accusations against her, AND posted a link to her personal fb page.  Whether Johnny Mathis is gay or bisexual is irrelevant.  Gabby and all her various identities are stalking and harassing Lynn and it is long past time that this sort of behavior is checked.  I had  hoped that after OWC won the legal hearings etc that she had learned her lesson.  Sadly, it appears she just took a step back and chose another to go after.....

Way back when Gabby wrote to inmate, sent him pictures of a beautiful young woman (that was not her) and claimed to be something she was not.  I wish the old A&E board was not vapor - the Gabby thread was full of documented facts and the few things we were able to salvage was lost at one of the more recent boards (the virus took many threads and we cannot retrieve them).  And as for the claims of OT that inmate sent her letters from other women asking her to give him advice.....NO WAY IN HELL!  Inmate would never condescend to ask a woman (let alone one he knew by mail only) for advice on anything.

Not trying to be mean and you are welcome to your opinion, but without knowing even these few basic historical facts, you cannot form a grounded opinion in my mind.  that is the way I feel so I had to share some of the knowledge I've gained from years of dealing with Gabby and her many identities - I don't even remember them all anymore.